Does Anyone Really Expect a Different Appeals Decision? E! Online News reports in "Ludacris and Kanye's 'Stand Up' Victory." From the article: "Sachs told reporters that an expert witness he had been planning to call to dispute the idea that both songs' use of the phrase 'like that' was more than coincidental would have helped their side. Instead, U.S. District Judge Kevin Castel excluded the musical expert's testimony."